Prime property at the Port of Rochester area, where the Genesee River flows into Lake Ontario, is still awaiting a developer. Credit: FILE PHOTO

On Wednesday, September 17 — Edgewater Resources will present its plan to
transform the Port of Rochester from a mostly quiet river and beach area into a
year-round destination resort with a hotel, shopping, restaurants,
condominiums, marina, spa, and other amenities.

The City of
Rochester has asked for a high-impact, transformational development, and
Edgewater owner Gregory Weykamp says that he means to deliver.

The Port of Rochester. Credit: FILE PHOTO

That will
include buildings that are eight to 10 stories high, Weykamp says. And for some
Charlotte residents, you can stop right there.

“We don’t
want it,” says Susan Miller, a member of the grassroots group Charlotte Strong.
“We definitely, definitely do not want high-rises.”

Charlotte
Strong formed because the Charlotte Community Association was not advocating
strongly enough on the neighborhood’s behalf, Miller says. She says that
Charlotte Strong has seven core members and between 300 and 400 supporters.

Sean Schiano of the community association says he hopes that
people will at least hear Edgewater out and give the company a chance before
making up their mind.

It’s
understandable that Charlotte is not speaking with one voice on this issue,
given the scale of the proposed project and its potential to permanently alter
the character of the community. Supporters and detractors of Edgewater both say
they believe they are representing the wishes of the majority of Charlotte
residents.

Susan Miller of Charlotte Strong. Credit: PHOTO BY MARK CHAMBERLIN

And even
within the groups themselves, there is disagreement. Some of Edgewater’s
critics, for example, say that they support limited housing at the port. Others
say they don’t want any development at all. Some who support development at the
port — if not necessarily Edgewater as developer — say that the opposition is
limited to a small but extremely vocal minority.

Weykamp has participated in public meetings
and numerous public workshops and says that what people really want is a
quality development.

“What we
heard from the community time and again was, ‘We want it done right. The quality
is the most important thing,'” he says.

To offset the
cost of producing a top-notch project, he says, the buildings have to be of a
certain height because people will pay for lake views.

“Views of
trees obviously don’t command as much value as views of the lake,” he says. “If
it came down to a compromise where it has to be so low that we can’t do the
quality, we wouldn’t do that. We would leave that to a different developer,
because that’s not who we are. I also think it’s the wrong thing for
Charlotte.”

Edgewater got off to a difficult start when a project diagram, which Weykamp
says was meant only as an internal planning tool, was made public. The diagram
shows rather utilitarian-looking buildings in excess of 10 stories tall.

“That was
presented and interpreted as a design, which it is not,” Weykamp says. “I think
those are ugly drawings, too. I think it’s unfortunate how the graphics were
rolled out, but I didn’t have anything to do with that. And we’ve been playing
catch-up ever since.”

Susan Roethel of Charlotte Strong. Credit: PHOTO BY MARK CHAMBERLIN

The diagram
was made before the city chose a developer, Weykamp says. It doesn’t make sense
to invest a significant amount of money in designs, he says, when you haven’t
even been hired.

The
development would be built in phases, Weykamp says, starting with a 40- to-
60-room boutique hotel. Above the hotel would be 12 to 24 for-sale condominiums.

“That’s a
small enough size; we know that’s not going to fail,” Weykamp says. “We know we
can sell 12 to 24 units very, very comfortably.”

Those first
condos would also give Edgewater crucial information, he says, such as which
units sell first and fastest, and what buyers like and don’t like. They would
also test the viability of the overall project.

The condos
would probably start at around $200,000, Weykamp says, for a smaller,
one-bedroom unit. The prices would increase with height and size all the way to
the penthouse, which could go for more than $1 million, he says.

“What we
always find is we have a lot of interest during the drawing phase, and then the
first weekend the building’s open and people can get in and walk through the
unit and take a look at the view and see the quality, all of a sudden you sell
half a dozen units just like that.”

Although
Edgewater’s marketing studies show that the market will support units at these
prices, Weykamp says that the only study that really counts is the one that
comes with a check attached.

“Until
somebody does that, you don’t really know,” he says. “And I understand that
people haven’t seen a project like this before. But we’re confident.”

One of the main concerns that some of
the critics
have is
that the new development would block their views of the water — essentially
selling the views to people who can afford hundreds of thousands of dollars for
a condo.

“The
Charlotte community has been saying for many years that it wants to maintain
the maritime historical significance of the area and maintain vistas of the
river, the harbor, and the lake,” says a document from Charlotte Strong.

“We want
development that will fit our neighborhood,” Miller says. “It’s more like a
village, not a downtown. For years, Charlotte residents have been saying no to
high-rises. Why are they pushing it on us?”

And when Weykamp says that the project would actually improve views
that really aren’t that great to begin with, Charlotte Strong member Sue Roethel
snaps back, “Better to whom? The people who buy the $1.2 million condos?”

One of
Edgewater’s ideas, Weykamp says, is to create a low-level plinth on the
building. So the first couple of stories would front Lake Avenue, then there
would be the plinth, and the rest of the building would go up and in, Weykamp says, so that Lake Avenue doesn’t feel too closed
in or dense.

Weykamp and city officials reject the
suggestion that the city is privatizing the port. The marina would be open to
the public and surrounded by a park and public promenade that connects the
Genesee River Trail to the Charlotte pier. And Weykamp talks about a civic
gathering space with a reflecting pool or skating rink as part of the project.

“You’ll be
able to be at the corner of Lake and Hincher, look through a really nice space
with nice restaurants on the side and activities and an ice rink in the winter
kind of thing,” he says. “And look down and see the marina and the boats in the
water. I really, sincerely believe that we’ll be creating better views than
exist today.”

Low-income housing has come up repeatedly during
discussions of the port development. The worry is either that the project will
flop and Edgewater will resort to low-income housing to fill it up, or that
Edgewater is being coy about its intentions and has planned to include
low-income housing all along.

The concern appears
to stem from the initial package that Edgewater put together for city
officials, before the company was chosen to develop the port. The paperwork
lists low-income housing tax credits as a possible funding source for the
project.

Both Weykamp and city officials emphatically deny that
low-income housing would be part of the project. Weykamp acknowledges the
reference in the early paperwork, but says it was in response to the city’s
request to identify all possible sources of funding.

“Some folks
for whatever reason have just really latched onto that as proof that we’re
going to do low-income housing,” he says. “As I said time and again, we’re
simply not here to do that.”

According to
the US Department of Housing and Urban Development, only rental properties are
eligible for federal low-income housing tax credits. Rental units are not
included in Edgewater’s plans.

The project
is required to have some affordable housing, but under the city’s charter, affordable
is defined as a person or family earning less than 120 percent of the median
family income. That means that a family of four couldn’t earn more than $80,400
annually to quality for an affordable unit in the development.

And phasing
the development in will test the viability of Edgewater’s broader plan for the
port, Weykamp says.

“We’re not
going to build everything at once,” he says. “That would be a silly thing to do
from a development perspective, because you need to be responsive to the market.”

Everybody agrees on one thing, however: that the port
isn’t exactly alive with activity in the late fall and winter.

“What I
really would like to see is more people down there in
the wintertime,” says Schiano, of the Charlotte
Community Association. “I personally love the water and the ice and the snow.
It’s something that people don’t realize how beautiful it is.”

To Edgewater’s
detractors, the fair-weather nature of the port means there isn’t demand for a
massive development project. They cite the failure of the city-subsidized Pier
45 restaurant at the terminal building as proof. The restaurant was billed as a
way to get people down to the port in the off-season.

“None of
these [port] places are packed in the winter,” Miller says. “This is not going
to happen — I don’t care — until pigs fly.”

But Weykamp says you have to play the long game. The trick to
making the port into a year-round destination is to build density, he says, and
that takes time.

“People ask
me a lot of questions about parking,” he says. “I don’t mean to diminish the
parking problems in the summer, but every resort community has parking problems
in the summer. That’s just the nature of the beast. What I’m really worried
about is the empty parking spaces from September through May. In all
seriousness, that is a much bigger problem for the community of Charlotte than
a couple of months of parking trouble in the summer.”

You need to
create a critical mass of residents, Weykamp says, so that restaurants and
shops can stay open in the winter. Density is also how you disperse
troublemakers, he says, and youth fighting has been a recurring problem at the
port.

“You just
need more people there,” Weykamp says.

Schiano says he just hopes that people give Edgewater a chance. The proposal deserves a fair vetting, he says,
and then the community can make up its mind.

“I really
wish that the entire community would listen to everything they have to say and
not tune them out because a certain group doesn’t want this developer and they
want to start the selection process over,” Schiano says. “I wish that everyone
would listen and give everybody an opportunity to speak and be heard.”

Even if Edgewater
doesn’t end up developing the port, he says, the company may have ideas that
the community can use going forward.

But Miller
and Roethel of Charlotte Strong say that there’s
nothing to talk about. They don’t trust Weykamp or Edgewater, they say, and
that as long as the proposal includes buildings they consider high-rises, they
will remain in opposition.

“My feeling is, what’s to think about?” Miller says, citing the petition
that Charlotte Strong gathered with more than 2,300 names asking the city for a
new port developer. “What’s to think about if the community does not want this?
I’m no big business tycoon, OK? But my question is, what am I missing here?”

Weykamp says he knows there are some people
he will never win over. But he says he believes there is strong support for his
project. He says that his goal is to capture the authenticity of Charlotte —
what makes it special. The neighborhood and the city may have lost industry
over the years, Weykamp says, but the natural resources — the lake, the river,
the beach — remain, though they are underused and undervalued.

“What’s
special about this place is that history — the golden era of resorts when
Charlotte was the Coney Island of the west,” he says. “Industries left, so what
do you have left? The natural resources. They have a specialness and a character that make people want to go
there. And that’s how we’ve been approaching this. I really feel comfortable
that we’re on the right track.”

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14 replies on “Edgewater to present designs for port development”

  1. 10 Stories barely qualifies as a High Rise… the residents in Charlotte live in a CITY, if they don’t like it they, should probably move to the town of Hamlin or sodus point.

  2. Why are they fighting this project? I would pay for a condo at Charlotte if I could get a nice lake view to wake up to every day.

    I hate to say it but stubborn people that criticize the idea before it’s even fairly presented are damaging the communities ability to revitalize it’s self and be successful. This is the same attitude that brought Kodak into bankruptcy… don’t let it bring Charlotte into mediocrity!

  3. I have a feeling they’d consider anything over 1 story a “high rise”. In other words, if any building is constructed, they don’t want it for some odd ball reason.

  4. For Charlotte to succeed, they need to be competitive with their fellow city neighborhoods – namely, the attractive, vibrant ones like Park Avenue and the South Wedge, and not to mention our growing downtown. If Charlotte tries to emulate the car-centric, low-density suburban lifestyle, they will fail because people who want that lifestyle will NEVER move to the city. There are plenty of suburban neighborhoods on/near the water just like Charlotte is, so that’s not a unique selling point either.

    City neighborhoods have to appeal to city people. And a huge part of urban appeal is walkability, which requires a population dense enough to sustain retail, restaurants, and services in a concentrated area. And in an area with limited space, that means mid- to high-rise apartment/condo buildings. If you can’t deal with that, then maybe a vibrant urban neighborhood just isn’t for you.

    And also, those vast parking lots belong to a Wal-Mart Supercenter in Henrietta. TAKE THEM OUT.

  5. Weykamp admits that the views aren’t all that great. He wants to build only a few condos and see what happens.

    Maybe he’s starting to realize that this location isn’t going to be right for luxury accommodations and amenities.

    He should pull out.

  6. How can you say (Kevin Allen) that it is a few that are not happy, when ” the petition that Charlotte Strong gathered with more than 2,300 names asking the city for a new port developer.” We are not saying we don’t want development, just not this project. Have you sat in on any of Greg Weykamps meetings and listen to him double talk?? He spoke of cutting down the trees in the park, even Councilperson Palumbo said at the last CCA meeting that I attended that can’t be done He talks to talk sometimes it seems..And I think John Smith is pretty ridiculous thinking the people who have lived n Charlotte (many for generations!) should move out if they don’t like it!

  7. Northernlake there’s 210,565 taxpaying residents that live in the city of Rochester that can be considered owners of this property, 2,300 barely represents 1% of the total population against this project. But even if you take into account just the neighborhood of Charlottes population that survey indicates that 75% of the total residents are indifferent or perhaps even for this project.

    As for this project I’m sure this project could be easily filled up, we have large scale waterfront proposals in Fairport, Brighton, Pittsford, Citygate, and even Canandaigua. I’m sure a lakefront property of the one of the largest lakes in the US is even more desirable than a view of the canal.

  8. This parcel of land is not lakefront. To get to the beach, residents would need to traverse a parking lot and a treed picnic area. None of the condos would have good views of the lake. Lake lovers would also be dissatisfied that they couldn’t hear the surf from their windows.

  9. Are they going clean the lake too? It’s disgusting…I can’t swim today, but the bacteria in the water may be just at the safe level tomorrow…Yeah, that’s worth buying $200,000 condo!

  10. You guys are all missing the point. $1m for a condo without supermarkets, not more than a few modest restaurants, no public transportation, no entertainment options, a commute through one of the toughest neighborhoods in our city and a lake that one often can’t swim in. Charlotte is a blue collar community with a smathering of fat cats. We are no longer living in a world where “if we build it, they will come.”

  11. Whatever happened to Pittsford developer? His plans seemed to be more well liked by everyone. Why not employee this local developer? Why use a developer from another country? There is money in it for someone. Guaranteed. I’ve been in Charlotte my whole life. It does need good development. The marina will be great and retail will be great, I am not a fan of these expensive condos. Why piss off a whole neighborhood for a few rich people to live in high rise to look at a dirty lake? Makes no sense. A lot of thing make no sense.

  12. Did you go to the meeting at Charlotte High Kevin Allen?? Do you know that the condos are going to be on top of the hotel?? Who wants to buy a condo above a hotel with strangers coming and going???

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