Over the weekend, a fellow City staff member shared a link detailing all of the gun deaths since the Newtown shootings. As of this morning, 321 people have been fatally shot since December 14, says the Slate.com article. (According to the Rochester Police Department, there had been 36 murders in the city in 2012 as of December 19: 26 involved a firearm.)
Slate is working with the anonymous operator of the @GunDeaths Twitter feed. In explaining the partnership, the writer makes a couple of interesting points about the statistical challenges of tracking gun-related deaths:
– The most recent comprehensive gun-death statistics available come from the Centers for Disease Control, and they are for 2008 and 2009. “It seems shocking that when guns are in the headlines every day, there’s no one attempting to create a real-time chronicle of the deaths attributable to guns in the United States,” the Slate article says.
– The article also says that its counts don’t include suicides, which make up an estimated 60 percent of gun-related deaths.
This article appears in Dec 26, 2012 – Jan 1, 2013.
And Timothy Mcvay killed 168 people, 19 of them under the age of 6 years old and injured 680. You can still buy fertilizer. You can still buy racing fuel. And you can still rent box trucks.
MURDERERS WILL STILL MURDER, WITH OR WITHOUT A GUN. GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM HERE
Without some kind of context, it’s just noise — completely meaningless disinformation.
If you’re just interested in shock value, consider the number of abortion victims since December 14: Roughly 70,000.
if i drove an f250 truck into a croud of people would they ban ford trucks????
Of course, what sort of article would you expect from a left-wing fringe rag like City.
It’s unfair to compare banning trucks or fertilizer to firearms. Those aren’t made with the intent to kill.
Here are some useful statistics:
-Serious violent crimes involving weapons are down by 26% from 2002 to 2011 despite general liberalization of gun control laws in the same period.
-Mass shootings have not actually increased in frequency, peaking in 1929
-The only independent factor found to be associated stopping or neutralizing would-be mass shooters has been the presence of someone, a law-abiding citizen, with a concealed weapon. All of the tragedies that have reached national attention have occurred in gun-free zones. There are numerous (largely unreported) incidents where a person walked into a crowded public place, started shooting, and was supressed, arrested or killed because someone there had a (legal) gun and stopped them.
-While a causative relationship is debated and disputable, there is a correlation: states with higher rates of legal gun ownership have lower rates of gun-related crime. At the very least, we can take away from this that legal gun ownership (regardless of the type of weapon) doesn’t necessarily correlate with a higher likelihood of gun-related crimes.
These, and other facts, are things a journalist can learn about and report if he or she chooses to. They’re complicated. They don’t fit well on a bumpersticker. They’re part of what a real conversation is about.
Until then.
The Federal Government has gone out of control. We now have a group in Washington DC that believe they are so smart they need to tell us morons how to live, what to buy, take away our guns, tell us to pay more and more taxes so they can spend more, make sure we understand they are the elite ruling class, What to eat, what to drive, what energy to use, where our dollars should go, they have decided to not use budgets since 2009. Next step is to allow more people to immigrate illegally and add to the unemployment, welfare, medicaid, cost of gov, more redistribution, and the illegal’s create more crime, more diseases, smuggling, killings, auto accidents, more prisoners, lowers the pay of the citizen workers, and more harm to the economy and the citizens of America. Where will this self serving group of elite ruling class take us? We will return to Serfdom very soon as they become the emperor and we become the servants all over again…. Look Out and resist, take action now or perrish!!
Here are some interesting numbers for USA from 1970 through 2003
* From 1970 till 2003 gun ownership increased by 138%
* From 1970 till 2003 Violent Crimes decreased by 118%
*From 1970 till 2003 Violent Crimes per Gun decreased by 81%
Something else
Annual deaths from
Firearms = 11,493
Abortions = 1,000,000
Also USA is well below 50th in Global gun killings
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>> The latest Murder Statistics for the world:
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>> Murders per 100,000 citizens
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>> Honduras 91.6
>> El Salvador 69.2
>> Cote d’lvoire 56.9
>> Jamaica 52.2
>> Venezuela 45.1
>> Belize 41.4
>> US Virgin Islands 39.2
>> Guatemala 38.5
>> Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2
>> Zambia 38.0
>> Uganda 36.3
>> Malawi 36.0
>> Lesotho 35.2
>> Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
>> Colombia 33.4
>> South Africa 31.8
>> Congo 30.8
>> Central African Republic 29.3
>> Bahamas 27.4
>> Puerto Rico 26.2
>> Saint Lucia 25.2
>> Dominican Republic 25.0
>> Tanzania 24.5
>> Sudan 24.2
>> Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9 Ethiopia 22.5 Guinea 22.5
>> Dominica 22.1 Burundi 21.7 Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
>> Panama 21.6 Brazil 21.0 Equatorial Guinea 20.7 Guinea-Bissau 20.2
>> Kenya 20.1 Kyrgyzstan 20.1 Cameroon 19.7 Montserrat 19.7 Greenland
>> 19.2 Angola 19.0 Guyana 18.6 Burkina Faso 18.0 Eritrea 17.8 Namibia
>> 17.2 Rwanda 17.1 Mexico 16.9 Chad 15.8 Ghana 15.7 Ecuador 15.2 North
>> Korea 15.2 Benin 15.1 Sierra Leone 14.9 Mauritania 14.7 Botswana 14.5
>> Zimbabwe 14.3 Gabon 13.8 Nicaragua 13.6 French Guiana 13.3 Papua New
>> Guinea 13.0 Swaziland 12.9 Bermuda 12.3 Comoros 12.2 Nigeria 12.2
>> Cape Verde 11.6 Grenada 11.5 Paraguay 11.5 Barbados 11.3 Togo 10.9
>> Gambia 10.8 Peru 10.8 Myanmar 10.2 Russia 10.2 Liberia 10.1 Costa
>> Rica 10.0 Nauru 9.8 Bolivia 8.9 Mozambique 8.8 Kazakhstan 8.8 Senegal
>> 8.7 Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7 Mongolia 8.7 British Virgin Islands
>> 8.6 Cayman Islands 8.4 Seychelles 8.3 Madagascar 8.1 Indonesia 8.1
>> Mali 8.0 Pakistan 7.8 Moldova 7.5 Kiribati 7.3 Guadeloupe 7.0 Haiti
>> 6.9 Timor-Leste 6.9 Anguilla 6.8 Antigua and Barbuda 6.8 Lithuania
>> 6.6 Uruguay 5.9 Philippines 5.4 Ukraine 5.2 Estonia 5.2 Cuba 5.0
>> Belarus 4.9 Thailand 4.8 Suriname 4.6 Laos 4.6 Georgia 4.3 Martinique
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>> The United States 4.2
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>> ALL the countries above America have 100% gun bans
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Our founding fathers hardly considered the Second Amendment a suicide pact.There is that “well regulated” provision in there. They hardly envisioned assault weapons in the era of single shot muskets. The First Amendment doesn’t let you yell “fire” in a crowded theatre, or incite a riot, or slander. The Second Amendment doesn’t let you own machine guns, or tactical nuclear weapons. So let’s dispense with this foolishness that we can’t regulate guns. If a right-wing Australian government can get rid of assault weapons (through a buy-back and other measures, following an assault weapon massacre), then so can we. Missing from these sophomoric right-wing screeds: America wants real gun regulation, and by wide margins.
It’s been noteworthy how many gun owners and hunters have been speaking up since the December 14 Newtown massacre. Parents have had enough. We have reached a tipping point, finally. Since the Newtown massacre December 14, there have been over 1,100 gun deaths (47 days later). No other country puts up with this madness; neither should we.
Since the shooting in Newtown, the political left has been using this as an opportunity to degrade another of our constitutional rights, our right to bear arms. One left-leaning website is tracking the number of gun deaths since Newtown just to make sure we are all aware that “guns are still killing people”. Since Newtown, 321 people have been fatally shot. Just to make a correction, guns don’t shoot people, people with guns shoot people. I have noticed in all of this debate a looming inconsistency. There has been no discussion or comparison with the number of guns deaths happening vs. the number of abortions. It has been approx. 10 weeks since the shooting in Newtown, which means an average of 23 deaths by shooting per week or approx. 3 deaths per day. The number of abortions performed is 3288 per day. That is 1000 times more deaths by abortion that the left supports than by firearms! Former congresswomen, Gabby Gifford mad a plea before the Senate this week. Part of her testimony was “Too many children are dying — too many children. We must do something.” Now, I could use her testimony as an appeal to stop abortion but instead she was talking about gun violence. Now, what is the larger problem, 3 deaths per day or 3288? January 27 was the 20th anniversary of Roe v. Wade. There were nation-wide celebrations. I think that whatever we think about “women’s right to choose”, do we really want to be celebrating the death of 54.5 million defenseless, unborn children? No amount of children or people dying is ever acceptable, but if we were to prioritize which problem to solve, which is the larger problem, 3 per day or 3288?
We are to have sufficient arms of common use. .223/5.56 is the most common rifle in use. It is not a “machine gun” nor fully automatic. It is SEMI-automatic. Our founding fathers would use modern muskets and keep the militarization of police/gov’t/DHS balanced by We the People.
http://www.assaultweapon.info/
This is about control and the gradual loss of liberties while those in our entitlement society beg for government to keep them safe rather than to protect the *rights* of the people with *small* gov’t as stated in the Dec. of Indep.
“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have.”